tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post950948208801034814..comments2024-03-13T02:16:08.135-04:00Comments on Cozy Beehive: Safety Moment : Crashing 60m Into A RavineRon Georgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18394865788996482667noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-31428595959242870382009-12-07T11:00:42.491-05:002009-12-07T11:00:42.491-05:00Apparently, he's doing fine but not sure if he...Apparently, he's doing fine but not sure if he'll race. He's terribly shaken up from the incident. <br /><br />http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/horrillo-visits-site-of-his-giro-crashRon Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18394865788996482667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-65540509621815140902009-05-24T05:59:10.091-04:002009-05-24T05:59:10.091-04:00truly frightening. I wonder what would become of t...truly frightening. I wonder what would become of this poor lad's racing career ...lafhttp://linuxandfriends.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-51130227701979781192009-05-19T12:38:00.000-04:002009-05-19T12:38:00.000-04:00On a 3 mile descent, 10% average, last weekend I w...On a 3 mile descent, 10% average, last weekend I went real slow... 15 mph or so; pretty rough road. Front rim got extremely hot, melted my rim strip, and my tube expanded into a spoke hole and punctured. Some sort of yellow non-cloth plastic rim strip that came with my Alexrims 450.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-74358231175471537992009-05-18T20:49:00.000-04:002009-05-18T20:49:00.000-04:00Race organisers like climatic endings, and twisty ...Race organisers like climatic endings, and twisty dramas. What do you do? Its a money business afterall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-36040115395791068962009-05-18T19:09:00.000-04:002009-05-18T19:09:00.000-04:00It does seem like a net (like they have for skiing...It does seem like a net (like they have for skiing) would have been good... or if the UCI hadn't banned disc brakes perhaps the riders would have more chance to stop once they realised they were in trouble... or if they were all on recumbants their COG would be low enough for the barrier to be effective...gsport georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10070707288565019602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-36755656716704786292009-05-18T17:02:00.000-04:002009-05-18T17:02:00.000-04:00Pardon me if I differ from fanatical views, but La...Pardon me if I differ from fanatical views, but Lance has been a whiner all this year. From ordering helicopters away on a whim, to sensationalizing his dispute with the French. He needs to man up and be what he was a few years ago. Sorry, but I just can't see him winning any more with this attitude. Live with it, this is bike racing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-4904665887399608172009-05-18T11:31:00.000-04:002009-05-18T11:31:00.000-04:00So, the giro puts up fancy crash protection for th...So, the giro puts up fancy crash protection for the one day the race goes through, and what happens for the rest of the time?<br /><br />These are not private roads, so normal cyclists & pros out training use them everyday. They may not be racing, but the roads aren't closed & being downhill anybody can go as fast if they don't use their brakes. <br /><br />Lance has just come back from a broken collar bone, so is rather sensitive at the moment.<br /><br />If pros were that concerned about safety, they would tighten their helmet straps properly, so they would actually provide some protection in an accident!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-57964667741106409472009-05-17T22:55:00.000-04:002009-05-17T22:55:00.000-04:00The best way to make cycling safe is put everyone ...The best way to make cycling safe is put everyone on stationary bicycles. Next make the racers wear fall arrest harnesses so they can't fall off there stationary bicycles. Then use a computer to simulate a race.alloycowboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14429465662167808264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-13358937964845930112009-05-17T21:57:00.000-04:002009-05-17T21:57:00.000-04:00I would be disappointed to see the great Giro coar...I would be disappointed to see the great Giro coarse "dumbed down". I don't like to see riders injured but they have a responsibility to ride to the conditions. My opinion is pull out of the event or don't enter if you think you will not be able to ride the coarse with due care.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11813027859982015505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-47017333602190696882009-05-17T20:55:00.000-04:002009-05-17T20:55:00.000-04:00This brings memories of Fabio Casertelli. Its horr...This brings memories of Fabio Casertelli. Its horrible that even after his death, races aren't made any more safer.L. Burknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-37028668315652587612009-05-17T19:35:00.000-04:002009-05-17T19:35:00.000-04:00Thankfully he has no brain injury. Thanks to his h...Thankfully he has no brain injury. Thanks to his helmet.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-86343009393400124362009-05-16T20:26:00.000-04:002009-05-16T20:26:00.000-04:00They seem to have kilometers of barricades along t...They seem to have kilometers of barricades along the finishing sprints for crowd control.<br /><br />Thanks for the post Ron. I've been working and not able to follow closer.<br /><br />-BBluenoserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03448920726947078281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-13991293289777011322009-05-16T18:33:00.000-04:002009-05-16T18:33:00.000-04:00It wouldn't have been so bad if they made them rid...It wouldn't have been so bad if they made them ride uphill on that road. Downhill is too dangerous. Oh well, either way what comes up has to come down..Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-56803794562172823452009-05-16T18:27:00.000-04:002009-05-16T18:27:00.000-04:00The descent was deemed unsafe and too dangerous by...The descent was deemed unsafe and too dangerous by many, riders and commentators alike (see Lance's tweet). I agree with Ron's notion that race organisers do have responsibilities for the safety of riders (and spectators) and that this stage might have been the case, where the fine line between creating a sensational and reasonably safe course (yes, racing will always be dangerous but risk can be mitigated) might have been crossed.Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05746451980347654639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-43221638592143348362009-05-16T17:39:00.000-04:002009-05-16T17:39:00.000-04:00Note, even Lance tweeted about unsafe courses in t...Note, even Lance tweeted about unsafe courses in this year's Giro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-13388680217001153842009-05-16T17:26:00.000-04:002009-05-16T17:26:00.000-04:00I got irked about this incident, and I just wrote ...I got irked about this incident, and I just wrote to the editors of the Gazetta dello Sport. Hopefully, they'll take notice of the issue.Ron Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18394865788996482667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-75201874480336629152009-05-16T17:14:00.000-04:002009-05-16T17:14:00.000-04:00Tom, Bike Boy : I'm not a traffic engineer, but lo...Tom, Bike Boy : I'm not a traffic engineer, but look at the guard rail in the picture. It looks solid, old and rusted. I think a better alternative would be to replace that with a low tension cable system that gives on impact, you know..and cushions you from toppling overboard. This way (and if you make it high enough), even if a rider hits it due to an accident, he wouldn't break a bone or get smashed in the groin. Or fall off the road from great heights. You have to consider a better guardrail design for that section of the road. Look at the drop down to the ravine!Ron Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18394865788996482667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-58387142861912840172009-05-16T16:46:00.000-04:002009-05-16T16:46:00.000-04:00If you look at the video you posted, often a wrong...If you look at the video you posted, often a wrong move from a rider in front will cause a chain reaction behind. In this case the rider behind was pressured to ride at a comparable speed as the one in front, but when the rider in front breaked hard, the one behind found out its too late. Geez, he almost got impaled there!Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16268869622833968439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-70537821379449865812009-05-16T16:40:00.000-04:002009-05-16T16:40:00.000-04:00Well I agree with most people. This is a terrible ...Well I agree with most people. This is a terrible accident. Should have never happened if they had better safety.Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-68180585424024691582009-05-16T16:37:00.000-04:002009-05-16T16:37:00.000-04:00Peter : I guess what I'm trying to get to is havin...Peter : I guess what I'm trying to get to is having short, dangerous or defective guard rails is as good as having no guard rails at all. Is it too much cost-wise for them to have a better make-shift barrier along the sides of sharp corners so riders don't go over the rails?Ron Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18394865788996482667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-66240281055338017742009-05-16T16:35:00.000-04:002009-05-16T16:35:00.000-04:00It is dreadful. The chasm between the actual exper...It is dreadful. The chasm between the actual experience and sitting at home watching is enormous and makes understanding and judgement difficult. Hopefully the race organisers will learn from this. I think there were some safety 'nets' placed along the course today - but why not there? As always it's a question of probability: was the accident unlikely to the point that the organisers where right to not make the turn safer, (was it so unlikely that the accident was even more tragic) - or was it too probable. It looks to me, given the fall on the other side, that there should have been a safety net/fence put there. I hope he recovers.Thoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03745847702335928410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-28200308934072768772009-05-16T16:28:00.000-04:002009-05-16T16:28:00.000-04:00I think I see the point on the question what is th...I think I see the point on the question <I>what is the limit</I>. If they wanted , they could even have the riders go through a road in the jungle full of wild animals, or make a course that is all descent. Hey maybe you could write about optimal course design!Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16268869622833968439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-26127295235732502302009-05-16T16:18:00.000-04:002009-05-16T16:18:00.000-04:00This was the rider's fault. Its obvious he didn't ...This was the rider's fault. Its obvious he didn't slow his bike down enough before hitting the guardrail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-86351163264817609662009-05-16T16:14:00.000-04:002009-05-16T16:14:00.000-04:00Ron, that is true. I don't have an answer. Just sa...Ron, that is true. I don't have an answer. Just sayin if you are going to create a truly amzing race for riders and viewers, there will be riaky spots. And if you are going to race, you better know where those spots are and ride accordingly. <br /><br />That said, it sounds as if vet riders are getting pretty pissed about the abuse of the racers required to take this high of risks.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04594733129608757820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-21617503221922866782009-05-16T16:03:00.000-04:002009-05-16T16:03:00.000-04:00This year's Giro is very unorthodox. Too many clim...This year's Giro is very unorthodox. Too many climbs, too early. They're doing this to make the race standout. All at the expense of riders. Why does this remind me of P.T Barnum?Philnoreply@blogger.com