tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post4006141650762223428..comments2024-03-13T02:16:08.135-04:00Comments on Cozy Beehive: Testimonies In The Lance Armstrong Doping CrisisRon Georgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18394865788996482667noreply@blogger.comBlogger128125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-61312948895940689342012-10-29T04:17:43.347-04:002012-10-29T04:17:43.347-04:00I suggest you read the WADA tenure and inform your...I suggest you read the WADA tenure and inform yourself. Then what has transpired will make more sense to you.professednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-56265268028286943852012-10-29T04:14:14.382-04:002012-10-29T04:14:14.382-04:00What a joy to revisit this again in October 2012
...What a joy to revisit this again in October 2012<br /><br />I wonder what all the foolish Lance lovers here have to say for themselvs now. <br /><br />Seeing things a little clearer now? Still believe in God and Santa Clause? professednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-82991810551417371002012-08-24T12:57:09.062-04:002012-08-24T12:57:09.062-04:00Well said!Well said!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-13534276822148610262012-06-16T17:21:54.795-04:002012-06-16T17:21:54.795-04:00Hi Ron,
Great post!
For all those poisoned by the ...Hi Ron,<br />Great post!<br />For all those poisoned by the Lance-Empire propoganda, whose only response is the regurgitated 'but everyone was doing it' my response is this; yes, others were undoubtedly doping and a few have admitted to doing so, however Lance continues to deny his guilt despite overwhelming evidence otherwise in order to line his pockets and satisfy his narcissism.<br />It makes me sad that someone like him continues to be idolised when we have true, clean, cycling heroes live Cav and Wiggins who will ultimately suffer when Lance's smokescreens disintegrate and his empire comes crumbling down around him, taking with it any tiny bit of integrity pro-cycling had left...Julia Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-29194713812092330402012-06-08T00:43:49.944-04:002012-06-08T00:43:49.944-04:00Lance's cancer most likely came from the overu...Lance's cancer most likely came from the overuse of steroids. EPO was not available in Europe until the late eighties and early nineties. The use of EPO was not perfected by Lance's good friend Dr. Ferrari for a few years (many Dutch cyclists died from EPO use). This was well after Greg LeMond's departure from the sport.<br /><br />Lance is a bully and just an all around not nice person. He is defended by the management at his foundations because there are some hefty pay checks being cashed.<br /><br />Why would so many lie about his drug use.<br /><br />He's guilty andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-10833561419624212382010-11-04T11:19:46.931-04:002010-11-04T11:19:46.931-04:00If this is all true, and also what has been stated...If this is all true, and also what has been stated by the likes of Eddie Mercx, then the probability of Greg Lemond being a doper too, is up there with Lance et al.<br /><br />And what about the pre cancer years, if it is true that motorola where cheating too, surely lance would have been winning heaps then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-3619994597654473502010-08-17T11:35:03.797-04:002010-08-17T11:35:03.797-04:00All elite sportsmen today take different substance...All elite sportsmen today take different substances to increase their potential to be a winner, some of these are declared as illegal and we refer to it as doping, but what about the legal substances? Aren't those a part of cheating as they also do things to your body that you can not achieve by normal training?<br /><br />The sad thing with cycling is that in the past all contenders for the victory in tour the france were in someway doped.<br /><br />Independently from if Lance is guilty or not, i would like people to see what he is doing with his fame, he is using it in such a noble way that i guess that in the end he will have given back to humanity more than most of us together will achieve in our lifetime.<br /><br />I believe in clean sport, but to judge from what we see today it is an impossible task, my hat off for all off you that work with this every day.<br /><br />/JanneJannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-79194630304432951222010-08-11T15:02:49.946-04:002010-08-11T15:02:49.946-04:00There are essentially two reasonable schools of th...There are essentially two reasonable schools of thought regarding Lance Armstrong’s doping, both of which assume that he used a smorgasbord of banned performance-enhancing drugs and procedures to win seven Tours de France. The third, that Lance rode clean, is untenable in light of the overwhelming circumstantial evidence presented above or in David Walsh, From Lance to Landis.<br /><br />The first is that it doesn’t really matter; PEDs use is rampant in professional sports, which is essentially a part of the entertainment industry, so why single out this poor guy and waste so much taxpayer money investigating something so far in the past? Let sleeping dogs lie. Plus he’s a cancer survivor, done a lot of good in support of cancer research and treatment – essentially a hero to a lot of people. So what if he doped? Why discredit Lance and thereby the Cancer Cause ostensibly for nothing gained? <br /><br />The second is that it does matter. The fact that everyone else doped when Lance rode doesn’t give him a free pass to lie about his systematic doping and use the good he’s done as a shield to cover his cheating ways. This school of thought views professional sports not as entertainment but as the pinnacle of amateur athletics. In this view sports are seen as essential to the fabric of society, endeavors that most of us compete in when young and which are meant to foster character and sportsmanship and teach the value of hard work and commitment to fair play. Those who rise to the pinnacle are meant to be seen as exemplars, particularly by our children, of the benefits that a commitment to those values brings. They are what made and make America great. Cheating and lying and defrauding in order to win and make money at any cost, moral or otherwise, directly undermine all good things that amateur athletics are meant to represent.<br /><br />It’s true that PEDs use is widespread in sports but so is corruption in business and politics. Should we give Wall Street crooks and lying politicians a pass because they work among so many other slime balls? What if they also do some good for society? Imagine that a corrupt businessman gives a lot of time and money to the war against cancer. What if he also is himself a cancer survivor and started a foundation dedicated to fighting the scourge? Would that entitle him to a free pass? If the answer is no, then what, exactly, is the difference between Lance Armstrong and Michael Milken? <br /><br />Lance Armstrong should be brought to justice. For the same reason the authorities should pursue corruption in all other areas of society that actually matter. For the sake of children who compete and hold those at the pinnacle in such high regard. To give Lance a pass is to surrender to cynicism, to give up on the high ideals of amateur athletics – crystallized in the Olympic Ideal – and to believe that they have no real connection to the world of professional sports.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-18616008574591712772010-07-27T19:09:05.860-04:002010-07-27T19:09:05.860-04:00Excellent job Ron! Can't wait subpoena process...Excellent job Ron! Can't wait subpoena process to begin!<br /><br />Lance the Doper: biggest liarstrong in professional cycling!!<br /><br />After what Landis told in Nightline he is my hero now. <br /><br />UCI needs weed out dopers from profession cycling!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-79339721540999353382010-07-22T22:36:26.362-04:002010-07-22T22:36:26.362-04:00I am impressed with the detail & thoroughness ...I am impressed with the detail & thoroughness in collating information but not with the scientific process to make a conclusion.<br /><br />I believe it's possible Armstrong was doping..however, it is also possible he was not. <br /><br />As a general cycling fan (not an Armstrong fan) I have tried to keep an open mind.<br /><br />The 'evidence' you provide is all speculative and heresay. For example, Floyd Landis just admitted he lied consistantly for 2 years...why believe him now with his "OK I did it...but these other guys did it too so it's not fair to punish me" act?<br /><br />I was a huge Floyd Landis fan and very dissapointed when he tested positive. I believed (wanted to believe) that he was right and the test was messed up. When the second sample was also positive I had doubts. <br /><br />Either he did it and so did other he is naming or he is confessing a way to get back credibility...he already served his punishment.<br /><br />As for Armstrong, I believe eithe he is clean or the cycling authorities turned a blind eye because they thought it was better for them & the sponsors. If he did everthing alleged, how can he possibly have gotten away with it for 7+ years ans suddenly after he retires Floyd Landis/team gets sloppy? The stage winner and the yellow jersey get tested every stage, every year!<br /><br />Either way, as I said, I like the detail and passion of this site but can't agree with the conclusion based only on "evidence" that would NEVER stand scruitiny in any country that observed "due process" and "chain of evidence". <br /><br />Those protections are in place for a reason...it's easy for anyone to accuse anyone else of anything without evidence. Then the result is based on who we prefer to believe or who we like/dislike the most.<br /><br />I can't agree with that approach.<br /><br />P.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-89301303036911424682010-07-12T11:56:00.546-04:002010-07-12T11:56:00.546-04:00Doping is as old as "professional" cycli...Doping is as old as "professional" cycling.<br />Doping is a story in cycling, because it's a poor cousin of other sports like football.<br />Doping is fun, if you get away with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-71121866783097671062010-07-07T19:06:42.172-04:002010-07-07T19:06:42.172-04:00Thank you for sharing all this information, especi...Thank you for sharing all this information, especially "#8. "THE SMOKING GUN IS IN LANCE'S COVERUP...". I greatly admire Betsy Andreu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-47973813754749992782010-07-04T21:49:04.521-04:002010-07-04T21:49:04.521-04:00I believe this single post is the best blog post i...I believe this single post is the best blog post in the whole of world wide web. AMAZING stuff. Thank you!James Mallory, Texasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-20901729110606911632010-07-03T22:32:23.596-04:002010-07-03T22:32:23.596-04:00Great read and great job chronicling this fallacy....Great read and great job chronicling this fallacy. I linked to here from your post on the comments section in the WSJ titled "Blood Brothers." This post is something that all the "worshipers," need to see for themselves...especially the bozo who posted prior to me. WAKE UP!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-16615119450105800122010-07-03T21:19:03.811-04:002010-07-03T21:19:03.811-04:00Hey, Lance just came in 4th in the Prologue. Are y...Hey, Lance just came in 4th in the Prologue. Are you going to tell me he is on or doing something right now? His every move is watched and he just beat about 193 of the world best cyclists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-38975960328298373902010-07-03T12:06:38.052-04:002010-07-03T12:06:38.052-04:00As others have said, I find this to be a public se...As others have said, I find this to be a public service and am grateful for this complete and clear compilation. I don't consider myself to be a "Lance hater". I used to be a big fan, until about 2003. After his fifth victory, I accepted that he was doping but still had some admiration for him because it was so obvious that everyone was doping and he won with panache. Over the past years however, it has become increasingly evident that he is a totally corrupt megalomaniac monster. I agree with Greg Lemond: cycling is about to get a lot better.Philip Heyinghttp://www.philipheying.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-56161678348727208922010-06-06T23:26:38.360-04:002010-06-06T23:26:38.360-04:00Fact - Armstrong has never been banned for doping....Fact - Armstrong has never been banned for doping.<br /><br />That being said ,if he ,or ANY professional cyclist gets banned ,it wouldn't surprise me.<br /><br />The sport of cycling is guilty of a doping problem ,and has had issue with it for a very long time.There will always be doping (as in any top sport) as long as there are new drugs , ways to defeat tests ,those that see an advantage to doing it ,and profits to be made in and around the sport.<br />So,who's the bad guy?The fans ,organisers ,sponsors ,cyclists ,doctors ,coaches ,drug manufacturers ,pharmacies ,etc?Or , are they they victims?It seems to me to be a sickness that extends beyond 1 individual.<br /><br />Those that are clamouring for blood ,as well as the motive to this site ,should consider what they are really wanting to happen to the sport.Is the intent to make cycling clean?Or ,to see someone fry?<br /><br />PEACEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-89071048941641080792010-05-24T22:10:58.888-04:002010-05-24T22:10:58.888-04:00Moto with refrigerated panniers for blood transpor...Moto with refrigerated panniers for blood transport: http://tinyurl.com/33z8xy7<br /><br />With a new paint job, who would know?Bewerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08389021459268558541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-39438744698181335162010-05-21T23:47:39.586-04:002010-05-21T23:47:39.586-04:00THIS is an AWESOME site you have here. You put in ...THIS is an AWESOME site you have here. You put in great work to get this information out in a nice, comprehensive format<br /><br />I am so happy I stumbled upon it.Lisa Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335992738224863911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-89028968981537489402010-03-17T06:00:23.359-04:002010-03-17T06:00:23.359-04:00wow....Stephanie Mcllavain asks LeMond about tapin...wow....Stephanie Mcllavain asks LeMond about taping the conversation and he says....<br />obviously Lemond is a liarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-78738220298602178392010-02-24T12:32:27.050-05:002010-02-24T12:32:27.050-05:00Sorry to add on, the detractors are just bloody co...Sorry to add on, the detractors are just bloody confusing. The same old attacks always come out, that rickety bitter ol' man Lemond or BTF, blame the French though digging below the surface, they seem split like I alluded to. <br /><br />Is this not strongarming someone about as much as possible bringing quotes from Abe Lincoln and "You know, I generally enjoy your website BUT..."; hey and it's old news too, what Walsh wrote, hmmn, that book was pretty much offlimits in the USA, I even ordered I believe through Amazon.co.uk. I don't think you walk into our big books stores here and readily can or could when new find the book. So the detractors are a bit nutty to hear. Okay, maybe some of them are writing from the United Kingdom but I see American type spelling and allusions all the same.<br /><br />It's nuts, it's no big deal if people talk about whether Geoff Hurst's 1966 ball went across the line for a goal in the game vs. West Germany (and I know per Brian Glanville that West Germany in fact, got their 2nd tying goal on a freekick which should not have been given in the first place), now that game with Argentina which I don't know compels me more but I have not witnessed it or seen videos of it. It really speaks to the matter that the same 'old' attacks are brought out by in fact, the Lance defenders and pretty recognizable too as well as technique. Why get so prickly?<br /><br />Ok, I just had to speak and add in a 2nd post here. My apologies.TSVDPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08799437719101782398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-50224081692850793822010-02-24T10:03:59.795-05:002010-02-24T10:03:59.795-05:00Good summary. Too, I actually think opinions on Ar...Good summary. Too, I actually think opinions on Armstrong are split, whether in America, Great Britain and I've found it interesting to read the Armstrong book reviews on the French Amazon website.<br /><br />Some of these responses one reads kind of points to long time-wise, there seems to be a systematic defense in my opinion that comes out for Armstrong and who knows who does it. This web page, a blog and seems to come out with the more loose hostile responses similar in nature to what Bassons went through where he told in a controlled voice to Lance why he responded to newspaper reporters and how it was important to him the sport was clean and to this Bassons got a 'FU' per the Walsh books. <br /><br />The Armstrong camp would like to call evidence presented tenuous at best but isn't it the Armstrong camp that brings out the excuses, that the substance found in his system in 1999 and later given the TUE status was actually valid per a backdated prescription or how about the journalists that followed the trash throwing workers of USPS and found the 160 syringes and the activogen, then the activogen became for one of the USPS' employees' diabetes. <br /><br />I'm suspicious of those that wish to quell any talk on this. It's no big deal to talk of past sports events, whatever they are and questionable incidences as they are part of the landscape. But no, here, people who talk about these things are said to be recycling old material, "there's nothing new here" junk.<br /><br />I mean if I had some of these questions over my head, it'd be people's rights to know what is going on.TSVDPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08799437719101782398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-30792600128017318742010-02-24T00:57:30.909-05:002010-02-24T00:57:30.909-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.TSVDPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08799437719101782398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-82000419499722114532010-02-02T23:37:37.858-05:002010-02-02T23:37:37.858-05:00I'm sure LeMond had a needle in his arm too, t...I'm sure LeMond had a needle in his arm too, they just did'nt test back then. LeMond should go rabbit hunting with Dick Cheney. LeMond has NO credibility. If he is illegally taping phone calls, without the other persons knowledge. Come on, were using illegally obtained evidence to prove someone is a doper. LeMond is a cry baby. Sounds like If they are all dopers then I guess he's the fastest rider out of all of them. I hear a lot about UFO's and the evidence presented. But I have<br />yet to see a flying saucer hovering over my house. I have reservations, but being the most tested person in professional sports, why no positive test.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13887692.post-37624922011416789032010-01-29T08:17:28.365-05:002010-01-29T08:17:28.365-05:00that phone conversation is so damning. hard to not...that phone conversation is so damning. hard to not starting questioning after hearing the whole thing. thanks for postingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com